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	<title>Comments on: Despite Harsh Words from Critics, Share Buybacks Remain a Great Way to Boost Earnings and Share Prices</title>
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		<title>By: Chad Brand</title>
		<link>http://www.peridotcapitalist.com/2007/05/despite-harsh-words-from-critics-share.html/comment-page-1#comment-555</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad Brand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 14:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan,&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;s a valid point. Buying back stock obviously is not sustainable in perpetuity as eventually all of the shares would have to be bought back. Still, it would take a very long time for that to happen. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Assuming that you have a few large shareholders, whether they be insiders or institutions, once they amass an abnormally large percentage of the stock, they would likely take the company private or sell the entire firm. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Taking it private would be beneficial because 1) you would no longer have to hear certain people complain about the buyback strategy, and 2) you would not have to buyback stock to boost earnings per share, but rather you could just keep the cash flow for yourself. That is why private equity firms prefer high cash flow generating businesses.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you wanted to move on to another venture, then you would most likely just sell the company outright, either to a private investment firm, or a competitor who would likely abandon the buyback strategy.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In either case, I don&#039;t think shareholders ever get punished due to the buyback model. The value of their stakes is maximized due to the fact that capital allocation decisions are based on return on investment, not commonly accepted industry practices. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In AZO&#039;s case, they probably have another 10-20 years before they reach the point of needing to reevaluate the buyback strategy, so from that standpoint, the model is sustainable for decades, just not forever, as you correctly point out. I think the naysayers on the whole concept make it seem like you can do buybacks for a year or two but that&#039;s it, which is clearly incorrect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,<br />It&#8217;s a valid point. Buying back stock obviously is not sustainable in perpetuity as eventually all of the shares would have to be bought back. Still, it would take a very long time for that to happen. </p>
<p>Assuming that you have a few large shareholders, whether they be insiders or institutions, once they amass an abnormally large percentage of the stock, they would likely take the company private or sell the entire firm. </p>
<p>Taking it private would be beneficial because 1) you would no longer have to hear certain people complain about the buyback strategy, and 2) you would not have to buyback stock to boost earnings per share, but rather you could just keep the cash flow for yourself. That is why private equity firms prefer high cash flow generating businesses.</p>
<p>If you wanted to move on to another venture, then you would most likely just sell the company outright, either to a private investment firm, or a competitor who would likely abandon the buyback strategy.</p>
<p>In either case, I don&#8217;t think shareholders ever get punished due to the buyback model. The value of their stakes is maximized due to the fact that capital allocation decisions are based on return on investment, not commonly accepted industry practices. </p>
<p>In AZO&#8217;s case, they probably have another 10-20 years before they reach the point of needing to reevaluate the buyback strategy, so from that standpoint, the model is sustainable for decades, just not forever, as you correctly point out. I think the naysayers on the whole concept make it seem like you can do buybacks for a year or two but that&#8217;s it, which is clearly incorrect.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 05:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that taken to a logical extreme, such a reliance on buybacks would result in the company eventually having to buy up all of its shares outstanding. As such, is it really still a sustainable business strategy? At what point do buy backs have to stop and what will act as a catalyst for price appreciation after? Or, are you advocating that such matured, developed companies don&#039;t really need to have shares outstanding?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that taken to a logical extreme, such a reliance on buybacks would result in the company eventually having to buy up all of its shares outstanding. As such, is it really still a sustainable business strategy? At what point do buy backs have to stop and what will act as a catalyst for price appreciation after? Or, are you advocating that such matured, developed companies don&#8217;t really need to have shares outstanding?</p>
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		<title>By: Chad Brand</title>
		<link>http://www.peridotcapitalist.com/2007/05/despite-harsh-words-from-critics-share.html/comment-page-1#comment-547</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad Brand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 12:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good observation. AMGN actually does a lot of buybacks, not to the extent of AZO, but their share count still has been going down in recent years. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In fact, the company in recent quarters has accelerated that plan by issuing debt to buyback shares since they were very underleveraged. In fact, AMGN just issued $4B in debt securities, of which $3B will be used for buybacks. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Given their recent troubles within the anemia drug franchise, expect buybacks to play a major role in trying to keep earnings per share from taking a large hit due to lost Aranesp sales. That is a key reason why I believe the earnings hit AMGN will see will be less than many panic sellers of the stock expect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good observation. AMGN actually does a lot of buybacks, not to the extent of AZO, but their share count still has been going down in recent years. </p>
<p>In fact, the company in recent quarters has accelerated that plan by issuing debt to buyback shares since they were very underleveraged. In fact, AMGN just issued $4B in debt securities, of which $3B will be used for buybacks. </p>
<p>Given their recent troubles within the anemia drug franchise, expect buybacks to play a major role in trying to keep earnings per share from taking a large hit due to lost Aranesp sales. That is a key reason why I believe the earnings hit AMGN will see will be less than many panic sellers of the stock expect.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 07:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The buyback strategy seems a wise and reasonable course of action for a developed company.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Do you think it would work for AMGN?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The buyback strategy seems a wise and reasonable course of action for a developed company.</p>
<p>Do you think it would work for AMGN?</p>
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